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DStepp Member	posted April 02, 2003 05:45 PM With Challs and Teen Titans on deck for 2003, seems to me we almost HAVE to have Adam Strange next year. What are remaining viable #1s? Man of Steel #1 Adam Strange #1 Brave and Bold #1 Jimmy Olsen #1 ?????? MoS I think is almost a given. I bet Adam trumps B&B and Jimmy is out because they are making another collection of that material. D. IP: Logged
BearPaws Member	posted April 02, 2003 05:53 PM quote: Originally posted by DStepp: MoS I think is almost a given. I bet Adam trumps B&B and Jimmy is out because they are making another collection of that material. There's a (fourth) world of difference between Jimmy Olsen #1 and the Kirby issues being collected, and they certainly appeal to different audiences. I'd buy a Jimmy Olsen Archives in a heartbeat, but I'll never ever buy anything from Kirby's Fourth World. Ever. Still, Lois Lane might be more viable than Jimmy Olsen. Between the two, Lois would be my preference anyway. ------------------ "I knew I wasn't risking my secret identity with you! After all, аааааif I can't trust the President of the United States, who can I trust?" Х Superman to JFK, Action Comics #309, February 1964 IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted April 02, 2003 05:55 PM I agree completely on all four of those points. I'd add Lois Lane and SA Superboy to the list as likely for the future, but not until SA Superman (or MoS, as you're calling it) further proves the market for Weisingeriana. Down the road a piece, I'd also add Metamorpho and Martian Manhunter as possibles. But for 2004, I think it'll be Man of Steel and Adam Strange. IP: Logged
JoeAnkenbauer Member	posted April 02, 2003 06:24 PM quote: Originally posted by DStepp: With Challs and Teen Titans on deck for 2003, seems to me we almost HAVE to have Adam Strange next year. What are remaining viable #1s? Man of Steel #1 Adam Strange #1 Brave and Bold #1 Jimmy Olsen #1 ?????? MoS I think is almost a given. I bet Adam trumps B&B and Jimmy is out because they are making another collection of that material. D. I can think of at least three more, but I don't know how viable they are. Lois Lane <-- Most Viable Metamorpho Metal Men <-- Least Viable Before anyone gets after me, I feel that Metamorpho is more viable than the Metal Men because Metamorpho is still active in today's DC Universe. However, if it was up to me, my first three choices would be: 1) Adam Strange 2) Silver-Age Superman 3) Metal Men JMA IP: Logged
silveragesuperfan Member	posted April 02, 2003 06:47 PM Most of the remaining silver age candidates would have to be good ones. It continues to baffle me that they haven't already issued some Silver Age Superman archives, and I hope this is the first new book for 2004. After that I would also welcome... Metamorpho Jimmy Olsen Dial H Martian Manhunter (3rd choice personally) Metal Men Rima Creeper SA Spectre (2nd choice personally) IP: Logged
silveragesuperfan Member	posted April 02, 2003 06:48 PM ...and Adam Strange, I forgot him. But how about Captain Comet?? IP: Logged
friend Member	posted April 02, 2003 06:53 PM I think that Martian Manhunter is a very interesting character and has kinda been put on the shelf for a long time. Maybe now that he's on the new Justice League rollcall, a lot of new fans might like an archive of him. I think he'd have a respectable success. Personally, I hope that a lot more of Superman stuff comes out. Friend. ------------------ http://www.freewebs.com/salamie63/index.htm IP: Logged
NecessaryImpurity Member	posted April 02, 2003 07:10 PM If Silver means 1950-1970, the remaining super-hero/adventure strips include: Adam Strange Blue Beetle Brave & Bols adventure characters (could be done separately) Brave & Bold team-ups Captain Atom Creeper Dial 'H' for 'Hero' Eclipso Elongated Man Green Arrow (should start in 1941, IMO) Hawk and Dove Jimmy Olsen Lois Lane Mark Merlin Martian Manhunter Metal Men Metamorpho Phantom Stranger Question Peacemaker Rip Hunter Sea Devils Space Ranger Superboy Superman Wonder Woman There are probably a half dozen more with enough stories to make at least a slim Archive. Then there are the western, war, SF, humor, etc. strips. Plenty of material for the next decade! IP: Logged
Osgood Peabody Member	posted April 02, 2003 09:06 PM Life is good for us SA fans - to put it in perspective, look what we've seen introduced just in the last 2 years: The Atom - Supergirl - Sgt. Rock - Doom Patrol - Enemy Ace - Aquaman - The New Look Batman - Challengers of the Unknown - Teen Titans A few years ago, I never dreamed we'd see any of these books. We are on the doorstep of Nirvana - but before we pass into the promised land, there are 2 more milestones to pass - the Weisinger Superman and the Fox/Infantino/Schwartz Adam Strange. My expectations are now at an all-time high - I will be sorely disappointed if we don't see both of these volume 1s in 2004. IP: Logged
Old Dude Member	posted April 03, 2003 12:09 AM NecessaryImpurity left out the original Silver Ager: Captain Comet. IP: Logged
Owen Cardiff Darcy Member	posted April 03, 2003 12:56 AM If we get Superboy this year, then Supergirl vol. 2 might appear next year. We're supposed to get Challengers vol. 2 next year. Will there be yet another Legion volume? (13!) IP: Logged
quincyjb Member	posted April 03, 2003 01:00 AM Gotta go with the crowd on this one. Adam Strange and one of the SA Superman titles seem like shoe-ins for next year. I would like to see a Brave and the Bold #1 as well. Any of them are fine by me; Batman teamups, misc. superhero teamups, or the B&B Adventure heroes from issues #1-24. And it would be so-ooo-ooo cool if the archives broke into two new genres next year, rather than just one. Sci-fi (Adam Strange) and perhaps Westerns (Bat Lash?) or humor. This would make for a wonderful lineup. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted April 03, 2003 02:44 AM I don't think that anyone has promised us that Challengers 1 and 2 will be in conscutive years, Owen. If it was me doing the deciding, I'd alternate Challs with Doom Patrol, but then I'm a sucker for neat correspondences like that... Of Necessary's big list, I'd like, of course, to have every one of them collected, and i suppose eventually most of them have at least a faint chance, but I'm thinking that the order of likelihood, considering only superhero features, is something like: Right away: SA Superman Adam Strange Certain to happen, and fairly soon: Jimmy Olsen Lois Lane Batman Brave & Bold teamups Pretty likely within 5 years if not sooner: SA Superboy (this one might rank higher) Blue Beetle/Question Captain Atom Martian Manhunter Metamorpho Phantom Stranger SA Spectre Wouldn't surprise me either if they happen or if they don't, but in any case not right away: Captain Comet (would prefer this in a Strange Adventures Archive anyway) Atomic Knights (ditto above) Elongated Man Creeper Hawk & Dove Eclipso Metal Men SA Wonder Woman Unlikely, at least in the forseeable future: Cave Carson Dial "H" Judomaster Mark Merlin Peacemaker Rip Hunter Sea Devils Space Ranger SA Suicide Squad I'm considering Green Arrow a Golden Age character--if he gets a separate SA line, I think it'll be a reflection of either overwhelming success or abject failure of his GA volumes. IP: Logged
Scott Nichols Member	posted April 03, 2003 08:37 AM Bob G. did drop a Charlton hint that we've never followed up on. -Scott IP: Logged
Amalak Member	posted April 03, 2003 03:16 PM Didn't Bob G. tell us a while back that Metamorpho and Adam Strange were both "near the top of the list"? I'd love to have a Metamorpho archive! IP: Logged
Tom Fury Member	posted April 03, 2003 11:41 PM I think Dial "H" for Hero is getting more and more likely.. just not likely for 2004. 2005, maybe.. if that "H-E-R-O" title isn't cancelled. IP: Logged
silveragesuperfan Member	posted April 05, 2003 03:15 PM Concerning the SA Superman situation, I just read this inquiry and response in the last Bob Rozakis online column: I love the DC Archives additions, and all of the recent Superman questions got me wondering if any of your current DC contacts (you still have some, right?) have given you any idea of when and if a SILVER AGE SUPERMAN ARCHIVES series will begin? -- Unsigned There are no plans for a SILVER AGE SUPERMAN ARCHIVES in the near future. I'd guess that it would take some time for them to decide exactly where to start (though I've heard a number of arguments for different points and they all make some sense). Frankly, I'd rather see a SUPERMAN IN WORLD'S FINEST companion set to the recently-issued BATMAN IN WORLD'S FINEST, but that hasn't been scheduled either. ...Then in the current column, this is touched upon again: Re: a SILVER AGE SUPERMAN ARCHIVE -- although no definite plans yet, I believe Bob Greenberger has established that if and when it comes, it will commence with ACTION COMICS #241's "The Super-Key to Fort Superman," the first appearance of the Fortress of Solitude. And, here's the best part - Bob G. quotes none other than one Bob Rozakis as part of his research! Bob's complete quote: "Superman's Silver Age starts with ACTION #241. Between Marvel and DC, I was hired to come in and figure out all the volumes required to complete all the GA Batman and Superman titles. Of course, that meant finally figuring out the dividing line between Superman's GA and SA. I did the research, had my own thoughts, got opinions from Bob Rozakis and Mark Waid and then settled with Paul Levitz. So there." Here's the link where this comes from, about halfway down the page, on the DC Archive forum: http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum21/HTML/001687-32.html And for what it's worth, I think Weisinger era Superman would be a huge seller. Nothing against the Siegel/Shuster aficionados, but there are already 8 (soon to be 9) volumes for their consumption, but nothing yet for the Silver Age crowd, except a morsel of Supergirl. -- Osgood (ajcav@msn.com) IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted April 05, 2003 03:42 PM I'm thinking that we'll see at least 8 Silver/Bronze volumes again next year. DC seems to be indicating confidence in the line, and I'd imagine that if restoration facilities permit, we'll get another small expansion to maybe 16 DCU Archives for 2004. Even if not, though, the lower costs and higher sales of the Silver Age volumes (and eventually, the larger volume of material produced since the mid-50s, if the archives program lasts long enough for that to become a real factor) probably mean that we're going to have more Silver than Gold in most years from here on. If there are 14 volumes next year, I'm guessing an 8/6 split again--if 16, then a 9/7 division. Not that I wouldn't be personally happy with an even split--7/7 or 8/8, since I'm really in more of a hurry to see a lot of the older material collected--but I think it makes more sense economically for DC to weight it a bit toward the Silver end. There's certainly more than enough great material from the whole pre-mid-1970s period to collect. IP: Logged
Osgood Peabody Member	posted April 05, 2003 04:13 PM Yeah, that was me - you didn't think there were 2 Osgoods out there with the Weisinger Superman bug, did you? Bob R. apparently forgot that Bob G. had already researched where it would begin, and I was attempting to set him straight on that point. IP: Logged
NecessaryImpurity Member	posted April 05, 2003 04:41 PM While Bob R. reports that Bob G. says there no plans currently, the meeting for next year's line-up has yet to occur. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to have SA Superman come out October '04. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted April 05, 2003 05:01 PM I'd give it a better than even chance. If it flies, we're probably in for Jimmy and Lois and SA Superboy all within a pretty short period as well, I'd guess (and hope). IP: Logged
dcexplosion78 Member	posted April 07, 2003 05:51 PM I don't think Jimmy or Lois would sell in the $2.50 format, never mind Archives. Jimmy headlines METROPOLIS right now and it looks lousy. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted April 07, 2003 06:57 PM I think you're underestimating the appeal of those bizarre older Jimmy and Lois stories. I think one of the main reasons no Jimmy or Lois series has done well since the early '70s is that they've tried to play it more or less straight. OK, perhaps the time has passed when the older approach to those characters could succeed in a new comic, but reprints are a different animal entirely. IP: Logged
Joe Pacheco Member	posted April 07, 2003 10:08 PM quote: Originally posted by dcexplosion78: I don't think Jimmy or Lois would sell in the $2.50 format, never mind Archives. Jimmy headlines METROPOLIS right now and it looks lousy. I enjoyed METROPOLIS and plan on picking up some more. I can see the art being a turn-off for traditional super-hero fans. Either way, as James said, METROPOLIS has nothing to do with the old Jimmy/Lois series. IP: Logged
Lightning + Chemicals Member	posted April 07, 2003 11:20 PM "Jimmy headlines METROPOLIS right now and it looks lousy." " I can see the art being a turn-off for traditional super-hero fans." What is it with Danijel Zezejl's art that causes such a negative reaction? (I've seen this elsewhere, too). He is one of the very best artists going today. I've enjoyed his "El Diablo", "Corinthian", and in particular, the "Congo Bill" mini he did. He is able to evoke an intense atmosphere, and he uses a cinematographic technique with the character dialogue panels. In Congo Bill, his scenes of Africa looked hot, oppressive, dirty and gave me a strong feeling of unescapable doom -- a sensation so strong it differentiates the work from the dozens of other works I've read in the past decade. Zezejl is a master. I bow in his general direction. This got me fired up to go out and buy Jimmy Olsen "Metropolis" -- I was going to wait for a collection. It looks like DC is trying to "mature-up" Superman with Zezijl and Seinkewicz both doing minis this year, and the upcoming Vertigo concept. I guess it makes sense, we have seen so many mature Batman takes since Dark Knight -- why not try to make Supes edgy, too? IP: Logged

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